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So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. Usually for at least an hour or so. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. There we go. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. Momentum and all. whenever anyone posts on this page: All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. So anybody can mess with anybody here at any time, by pretending to be somebody else. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. I too have a P89. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. I've never been to the range with you and I know . Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. I find the whole thing absurd and literally every firearm expert agrees with me. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. WOW! Clinging to God and guns. You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. I've carried both extensively. I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. Carry chambered ever since. Same here. Boy, that must be realllll nice. The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. Empty chamber carry is dumb. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. It worked before. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. Daughter carries the 9. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. It completely wraps the pistol in hard plastic so there is no chance of anything flexing into the trigger guard. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion Im still a believer of an empty gun is just a club. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. Training is nothing more than repetition. As in mentally deranged. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. In practice? OK, this isnt enough for you? There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. Or remembering faulty? Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. . Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. Which gets me to this. As stated above, Glocks are safe. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. But the real benefit is in the noise. Go. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. It's offered in a wide range of cartridges, from .22LR to the .357 Magnum. They say tomato, I say Condition 1 But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. It is also popular for law enforcement and for use as a backup weapon. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.). Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. * If you are so scared of a striker fired trigger, then why not get a hammer fired gun? . Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. I once owned 12 of them. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. One in the chamber is NOT ALWAYS the best option. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . Not thinking human beings. Is it just something one has to get used to? I notice that you had to go look it up though. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. When the fight starts, ejecting a live round onto the ground, or hearing the click of a empty chamber, will just mess up your day, maybe your last day. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. I have four (4) SA revolvers. Bear in mind that all Glock pistols are striker fired and are have no manual safeties. Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. Apparently the last time it worked. Even some shotguns will do that. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Run what you brung. Just saying. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. Barrel: 4.5. You have entered an incorrect email address! Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). June 2016. What you are overlooking is the odds. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. A Glock is a reputable brand name of pistols, and the weight of the trigger pull can mean the difference in between a firearm firing and not shooting. Hell, try it with a taser. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. Torture tests are silly and prove nothing about a gun. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. What I want then is a big bang noise when I pull the trigger, and not much else. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. She was brave. Fairbairn and E.A. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. you roll the dice. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. Call us at (586) 333-4240, and we'll guide you through the process of choosing a holster to suit your needs. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. JavaScript is disabled. Eventually, revolver designs changed. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. There is no way to put a round in the chamber without leaving the striker cocked, and there is no safety. Lol. You just have to get comfortable with it. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock. If the trigger safety is not . Nothing is more dangerous than a little knowledge. Not an appreciable amount of time. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. Heres how all of this bogus started. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. If you were to compile a list of incidents of the GLOCK ND and start reading through them, youll find that in virtually every single instance, human error was the culprit. Please consider creating a . . For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. Carrying any weapon with nothing in the chamber is carrying an unloaded weapon. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. The Israelis do it, and I do too. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. I have a CCW and am carrying the Glock in a Galco Stow-n-Go IWB holster. 3 your support hand may not be available. What is the I.33 for humidor and candle or Grndtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens for bananas?;-). *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. . I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. and self styled know it alls. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. The same as SJWs or those who suffer from TDS. You learned something. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. I think I can answer that one. Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. All terrific replies. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. Prices accurate at time of writing. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. It is a DAO and . To chamber or not to chamber? I sold my Glocks for this very reason , sure , I came up with other rational reasons , but when I look myself in the mirror and Im absolutely honest with myself , I got rid of my Glocks because I carry loaded chamber and I am sometimes a dumb ass . One other one was very tragic. A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. But still a nice catch. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. . Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. Glock 17. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. /sarc off/. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. People are going to make mistakes but when you design a tool as unsafe as the Glock its not a maybe they will have an accidental discharge its a fking fact that sooner or later they will. . Seems more in line with your abilities. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. Let's talk about wh. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. Glocks are awesome little handguns. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. That is a good point that I have never heard before. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. Absolutely. Sometimes I ask a question. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. Good on you guys for responding here. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. And we all make mistakes. Two is one, one is none. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. Try it with any style sidearm. Use whatever gun you want. Smh. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Still chambered in 9mm, the G19 measures 7.28-inches in total length. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. The Last Word. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP.