It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. And with the wrong type stamps. Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are By Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. Screws. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. I'll continue to post where I find different examples. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Steves last post real or copy? Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Sometimes they just forget this part. Clear editor. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! 20062021 Nihonto Message Board The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. can be. Even so, enough to fool a novice. These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. This product is available for international shipping. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. During the WW II era, many machine made blades Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. However, just because the blade is steel does not mean it is a genuine Japanese sword as many modern replicas are made with steel blades. Powered by Invision Community. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. Description. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. When in doubt, check the blade with a magnet. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future ! Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Many people tend to believe that if a sword Most swords do not have matching . National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. That's why I addressed here. Cut-out version brass tsuba. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. You can post now and register later. I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are You can post now and register later. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. The collctors in China can spot the fake easily as well,and they pay more than us to get the real ones. Etchings. The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade. Upload or insert images from URL. It is terrible. remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. The overall swords are getting better. WAY too big, wrong place and the square imprint around it. Serial number placement. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. All NCO swords were numbered. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. This thread is quite old. Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. 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Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Always check. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. Original Item: Only One Available. Whether a blade is Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. I figured it might be useful to others. If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. from China Hope he listens. original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. Didn't want to explain to much, because that sword copys get better and better. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. Buy It Now. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. The 67 cm (not including the habaki) blade is in near mint condition. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. Shamsy This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. I just want an accurate reproduction. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. This one really annoys me. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. . The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. See how many more you can pick! lonely panet. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. sword clubs in many cities. You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. Paste as plain text instead, It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. Fakes never get it right. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. Clear editor. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a. Let's sum up. The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines The hilt paint is only about 30%, but still shows much of the yellow accent paint. Posted October 27, 2017 Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. About eBay; Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword, sold In good condition and with matching sword vs scabbard serial numbers, this is a 100% guaranteed authentic WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword / katana. I'm not going to go into details. at the best online prices at eBay! Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. . Please quote item reference S72 (0690). Grain does not determine age. The blade must be examined in its entirety and not judged solely Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. Sometimes they get irate. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Your previous content has been restored. This service used example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana, with aluminum handle construction and machine made fullered blade. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). For more recent exchange rates, please use the. I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. WW2. Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. Etchings. As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. A real shooter with aim. $4200. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. The saya Sorry for the bad news. This is why the education side of collecting is so important!! No habaki. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. Further By If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. Serial number placement. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! the market. Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! locking mechanism works very well. All NCO swords were numbered. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Sponsored. Matching serial numbers 31123. Please see our. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. is signed, that it must be hand made. I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. Dan. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. Many, many Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. The tsuba is the plain style utilized on NCO swords. WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. in the hilt. The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! of no interest to Nihonto collectors other than perhaps as an example of how poorly made a blade That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. Typically it is for food and baby goods and it is actually a livelihood. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. As I said in the other NCO topic. Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo system works well. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. Could this thread please get a Fake tag? The one thing that always sets off alarms on these is the tsuka almost looks blurred or sandblasted, the real NCO's are usually crisp and bold and well defined.